First Spectroscopy of Antihydrogen with Laser-Cooling assisted Antihydrogen Trapping

Lead Research Organisation: Swansea University
Department Name: College of Science

Abstract

Antimatter lies at the heart of one of the most profound mysteries in our current understanding of the universe. Since the discovery of quantum mechanics, the description of the very small, and Einstein's general relativity theory, the description of the very large, the two have been at odds with each other. Quantum mechanics predicts the existence of a mirror image of matter, the so-called antimatter, which was soon confirmed. However, quantum mechanics also predict that the universe should be symmetric with respect to matter and antimatter or in other words that half the universe should be made of antimatter. Until now we have found no evidence of bulk antimatter in the universe a fact that remains a mystery in science. This is where Einstein may perhaps enter the stage. Einstein's theory describes the development of the very large (stars, galaxies, the universe) very well, but it is not compatible with the quantum world. A description of our world capable of encompassing both the very large and the very small has thus far eluded science. Such a description will have to include an explanation for the apparent lack of antimatter in the universe.

The recent start up of the LHC forms part of the effort to address this fundamental problem in our understanding of the world around us. This fellowship forms part of another, low energy, approach to the same issue. We are working towards detailed studies of the structure of neutral atoms made of antimatter. According to quantum mechanics their structure should be exactly the same as their matter counterparts. To accomplish this goal we are trapping Antihydrogen and plan to compare it to Hydrogen. As quantum mechanics predicts that these atoms should have identical internal structure to any level of precision, any difference we may discover will deliver ground-breaking information for our understanding of the universe. The making and trapping of these anti-atoms is a delicate affair, and the work here builds on many years of experience in the production of Antihydrogen and the recent successful trapping of the same. The motivation for making atoms is that these are neutral and can be probed by one of the best precision tools available to science - lasers. Precise measurements on atomic systems have been perfected over the last century and the advent of lasers accelerated the field far beyond other fields of precision measurement, such that today, we can measure transitions in atoms with up to 17 decimal places of precision. We plan to apply the techniques with this unfathomable precision to study our trapped Antihydrogen atoms.

However, this lofty goal requires very precise control over the formation of the Antihydrogen. The Antihydrogen must be trapped to allow for precise measurements of its internal structure. As Antihydrogen is neutral, it cannot be easily trapped. However, we can trap Antihydrogen in a magnetic trap. This is possible as Antihydrogen, though neutral, has a structure, which causes it to have a small magnetic moment, or in other words behave as a very small magnet. The tricky bit to trapping the Antihydrogen is that this dipole moment is so small, that even with state-of-the-art magnetic fields, our trap can only hold atoms so slow that their energy corresponds to a temperature less than half a degree above absolute zero. We are therefore currently only able to trap about one atom at a time. This project aims to facilitate the production of very cold Antihydrogen by using Beryllium ions, which can be cooled using a technique called laser-cooling. These ions can be cooled to a few thousandth of a degree above absolute zero, and can thus be used as a heat sink for the particles used to form Antihydrogen. We expect that this effort could significantly increase the number of trapped atoms and allow us to study the differences between Antihydrogen and Hydrogen in great detail. If any difference is found it will have a profound impact on physics as we know it.

Planned Impact

Academic beneficiaries of this work have been discussed previously under the appropriate heading.
In the past as well as in connection with the recent breakthrough our work has achieved impact via the massive media publicity it has received across the scientific and popular press. This has included articles in the national press in many countries, and interviews with radio and television. A recent example is "Scientists trap antimatter long enough to study how it works." (A. Jha, The Guardian, 5/6/11). The proposed work should see further scientific breakthroughs, which will achieve similar publicity. We will continue to engage with the press to promote our work and plan taking communication courses to improve the impact of this. We will also continue to engage through semi-popular articles targeting non- specialists and school students.

The benefits to stakeholders, society and people come in a variety of forms. While fundamental science of the nature proposed here is not targeted towards specific applications or improvements in industry or civilian life, it is crucial to the health of society that we continue to question the nature of the world around us. Asking and answering questions about the natural world is an important part of a modern democratic society as it helps shake people out of complacency and stagnation. Is it also crucial to the continued health of UK industry that we continue to develop home grown knowledge at the forefront of science. Recent focus has been on applied science and the application of science directly to industry, but it is often forgotten that the science needed to get to the knowledge that may then be redirected to target specific societal issues is the fundamental science which is driven purely by the desire to understand the world around us.

In more concrete terms, the massive publicity our research is host to inspires thousands of students to engage through site visits and school presentations both in Swansea and at CERN (which has about 30000 visitors per year). It encourages them to question the world around them and established truths, a critical element in a healthy society, and in particular it inspires them to enter STEM disciplines themselves and become the builders of the future of the UK and the world. We will continue to engage with students and the public through outreach at fairs, site-visits at CERN and Swansea as well as talks targeting the general public and school visits.

Direct benefits come from the output of trained personnel. This benefits both the personnel and the UK who acquire a highly qualified work force in the process. PDRA's and students are given great opportunities to work at the world particle physics flagship CERN and on our world-renowned research. Apart from the concrete science skills earned, the strict requirements imposed by beam-time (such as readiness and just-in-time problem-solving), our experiment employs a large panoply of experimental techniques and physics sub-disciplines, which make our students and PDRA's highly valuable at the end of service. Being at CERN has the side-benefit for the UK students that it gives them international experience highly sought after in an increasingly globalised world.

The PI is engaged in particular in the student aspect of impact through taking the initiative to propose and then organise a winter school on the physics of trapped charged particles and plan to continue such activities in the future.

Publications

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Description We have accomplished a number of firsts : We have measured the neutrality of antihydrogen by about a factor of ten better than could be inferred from already existing knowledge. We have measured the hyperfine splitting in ground state antihydrogen. We have observed the 1S-2S transition in antihydrogen for the first time. We have observed the 1S-2P transition for the first time, and we have accomplished the first measurement of the energy difference of the 1S-2S transition. We measurement the 1S-2S transition to a precision of 12 digits, the most accurate and precise measurement on antimatter. All of these world-leading results means that we are well on the way to compare antihydrogen to hydrogen at the precision to which hydrogen can be measured (15 digits). This would constitute a very stringent test of the CPT theorem and thus the standard model of physics. These results have been made possible through a significant increase in the number of antihydrogen atoms we can trap, one of the goals of this research.
Exploitation Route Some of our "sub"-findings may well be useful in other technology heavy areas, as we've developed a number of interesting techniques. The results themselves are en example of high-risk, high-gain research. There's a risk that no difference is found between antihydrogen and hydrogen, and thus that they won't directly help us understand why the Universe is almost devoid of antimatter, however if we do find a difference no-matter how small the implications will be unmeasurable.
Sectors Other

URL http://alpha.web.cern.ch/
 
Description We have used our antihydrogen activities in outreach towards teachers, students and the general public as detailed elsewhere. We have spearheaded the welsh teachers programme at CERN, influence the welsh government to allocate funds towards this to enthuse teachers and change teaching practice to include elements from CERN - in particular our antimatter activities.
First Year Of Impact 2014
Sector Education,Other
Impact Types Cultural

 
Description CERN teachers programme for welsh teachers
Geographic Reach Local/Municipal/Regional 
Policy Influence Type Influenced training of practitioners or researchers
Impact The welsh teachers programme at CERN, spear headed by Swansea in collaboration with Lynn Evans (former head of the LHC programme) highlighted the need to enthuse physics teachers in Wales. Funding for this programme and others has now been granted by the Welsh government under the NNEST umbrella.
URL http://gov.wales/newsroom/educationandskills/2017/welsh-teachers-return-from-cern-to-teach-what-matt...
 
Description Influenced policy on students at CERN
Geographic Reach National 
Policy Influence Type Implementation circular/rapid advice/letter to e.g. Ministry of Health
Impact Our students benefit enormously from being permanently at CERN. They learn to work in an international environment at the largest physics lab in the world. Additionally they have the opportunity to contribute significantly and be a significant part of world-leading research.
 
Description Published Book " Trapped Charged Particles - A Graduate Textbook with Problems and Solutions"
Geographic Reach Multiple continents/international 
Policy Influence Type Influenced training of practitioners or researchers
Impact The book is used as reference material at the winter schools on "Physics with Trapped Charged Particles", the next of which will be hosted in january 2018 (the previous one was in 2015). These schools reach primarily European level post-graduates (Ph.D. students and young researchers), with a few intercontinental participants (US / Asia / Brazil). We have received good feedback on this. No further quantitative feedback available at this time.
 
Description Published Book "Physics with Trapped Charged Particles"
Geographic Reach Multiple continents/international 
Policy Influence Type Influenced training of practitioners or researchers
 
Description Published Book "Trapped Charged Particles A Graduate Textbook with Problems and Solutions"
Geographic Reach Multiple continents/international 
Policy Influence Type Influenced training of practitioners or researchers
Impact We have used the text book at our winterschools on Physics with Trapped Charged Particles in 2015 and 2018 and will use it again in 2021. The students have expressed much appreciation for the quality of the book - and I'm aware of at least one lecturer who is basing their lecture-course on the book.
 
Description Winterschool on Physics with Trapped Charged Particles 2012
Geographic Reach Multiple continents/international 
Policy Influence Type Influenced training of practitioners or researchers
Impact Every 3 years I organise a winterschool for PhD Students on the topic of trapped charged particles. The school hosts about 60 students, mostly from Europe, but with a scattering of people from north and south America as well as Asia. It is highly appreciated by everyone in the field and helps young researchers form a wide network in the field as well as of course learning about the field from internationally renowned researchers who join as speakers and tutors. We have done schools in January 2012,2015, 2018 and 2021. I've linked the most recent one below. The next one is planned for January 2024.
URL https://indico.cern.ch/event/880180/overview
 
Description EPSRC Standard Grant (Responsive Mode)
Amount £3,824,192 (GBP)
Funding ID EP/P024734/1 
Organisation Engineering and Physical Sciences Research Council (EPSRC) 
Sector Public
Country United Kingdom
Start 03/2017 
End 03/2021
 
Description Frequency metrology for precision measurements on matter antimatter symmetry
Amount £1,515,048 (GBP)
Funding ID EP/T01086X/1 
Organisation Engineering and Physical Sciences Research Council (EPSRC) 
Sector Public
Country United Kingdom
Start 01/2020 
End 01/2025
 
Description Royal Society Leverhulme Trust Senior Research Fellow
Amount £50,695 (GBP)
Funding ID SRF\R1\201066 
Organisation The Royal Society 
Sector Charity/Non Profit
Country United Kingdom
Start 01/2021 
End 01/2022
 
Title SDR-EVC 
Description We have successfully combined the known techniques of Strong Drive Rotating (SDR) wall and Evaporative Cooling (EVC) to develop a new technique that we have dubbed SDR-EVC. The technique allows tailoring non-neutral plasmas held in Penning traps on all their parameters except their temperature (i.e. you can tailor their number, density and size). The technique is particularly useful in connection with use of positrons, as it allows one to stabilize the number of particles for experiments with positrons, that are often accumulated in a fashion that cause some fluctuation in the number, density and size of what's accumulated. 
Type Of Material Improvements to research infrastructure 
Year Produced 2018 
Provided To Others? Yes  
Impact This new tool has assisted in the development of new techniques for trapping antihydrogen that has allowed an order of magnitude increase in the rate at which we can trap antihydrogen. It has also been of great use for allowing us to accumulate antihydrogen a trap and thus reaching much larger numbers than hitherto possible. Finally the stability it engenders has made the experiments on antihydrogen more reliable and reproducible facilitating a number of recent breakthroughs in antihydrogen physics. 
 
Description ALPHA 
Organisation European Organization for Nuclear Research (CERN)
Department ALPHA Experiment
Country Switzerland 
Sector Public 
PI Contribution We have provided 20 years of leadership to antihydrogen research. We have provided expertise in positrons and positron accumulation, trap physics, atomic physics, laser physics, laser-cooling, plasma physics, cryogenics and vacuum technologies.
Collaborator Contribution Partners have provided funding and manpower and expertise in plasma physics, detector physics, analysis, laser physics, particles physics, atomic physics and physics simulation.
Impact Essentially all my outputs in the last 15 years are due to work with ALPHA. ALPHA is multi-disciplinary by nature, as we have to bring together very diverse fields of physics to do research on antihydrogen. The fields covered are accelerator physics, atomic physics, laser physics, detector physics, particle physics, plasma physics, fundamental physics as well as vacuum technology, detector technology, cryogenics and super-conducting magnet technology to mention the most prominent ones.
 
Description ALPHA CERN Cryogenics 
Organisation European Organization for Nuclear Research (CERN)
Department CERN - Other
Country Switzerland 
Sector Academic/University 
PI Contribution We have developed a cryogenics control system for an 8-magnet superconducting magnetic trap, as well as a control and monitoring system for the magnets.
Collaborator Contribution CERN has provided 16 LHC High Temperature Superconducting leads for the realization of a magnetic antimatter trap, as well as providing cryogenics consultation and design support.
Impact Ongoing
Start Year 2012
 
Description ALPHA Collaboration 
Organisation European Organization for Nuclear Research (CERN)
Department ALPHA Experiment
Country Switzerland 
Sector Public 
PI Contribution As co-founders of the collaboration, we have provided funding and expertise in multiple areas of key importance to this experiment : Super conducting magnets, Lasers, Plasma physics, Trap physics, Antiproton physics, Antitrapping, Positrons, Positron accumulation, Cryogenics.
Collaborator Contribution Partners and expertise (in parenthesis) are come from Brazil (Lasers), Canada (Detectors/DAQ), Denmark (Lasers, Antihydrogen), UK (Detectors, Plasma physics plus the above), US (plasma physics, Simulation). The contributations are estimated based on 10 year running of the experiment with 30 academics contributing cash for running and maintenance and about 20 FTE's per year of running plus 3M of contributions of kit.
Impact This is an enormously successful collaboration having resulted in 4 Nature papers and a large volume of other papers as well as heavy representation in the media. It is physics-multidisciplinary in that the collaboration spans several normally separate areas of physics : cryogenics, plasma physics, atomic physics, particle physics, fundamental physics, laser physics, positron physics, and spectroscopy
Start Year 2006
 
Description Antimatter Lectures and Tours at CERN 
Form Of Engagement Activity A talk or presentation
Part Of Official Scheme? No
Geographic Reach International
Primary Audience Schools
Results and Impact I give antimatter related lectures on a regular basis for school groups from Wales, UK, Denmark and Finland. Typically I entertain a about 300 pupils per year this way. The lectures are followed by guided visits to the experiments, in particular the ALPHA experiment where UK is a lead contributor.
I have many repeat visits (same teacher, new students) - and both teachers and students give very enthusiastic feedback from these visits.
Year(s) Of Engagement Activity Pre-2006,2006,2007,2008,2009,2010,2011,2012,2013,2014,2015,2016,2017,2018
 
Description Antimatter Matters exhibition at the Gravity Fields Festival in Grantham 
Form Of Engagement Activity Participation in an activity, workshop or similar
Part Of Official Scheme? No
Geographic Reach Regional
Primary Audience Public/other audiences
Results and Impact The Antimatter Matters Royal Society Exhibition was moved to the thirds gravity fields festival and participated in the activities in the Guildhall.
Year(s) Of Engagement Activity 2016
URL https://www.gravityfields.co.uk/CHttpHandler.ashx?id=17942&p=0
 
Description Antimatter at CERN 
Form Of Engagement Activity A talk or presentation
Part Of Official Scheme? No
Geographic Reach Regional
Primary Audience Schools
Results and Impact Webinar on Antihydrogen in order to engage A-level student locked down due to Covid-19.
Year(s) Of Engagement Activity 2020
URL https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IDzU89CB0w
 
Description Article in Advances Wales (Welsh Government) 
Form Of Engagement Activity A magazine, newsletter or online publication
Part Of Official Scheme? No
Geographic Reach Regional
Primary Audience Professional Practitioners
Results and Impact I participated in an article in Advances Wales showcasing our antihydrogen research.
Year(s) Of Engagement Activity 2016
URL https://businesswales.gov.wales/sites/business-wales/files/documents/Advances%2079%20final.pdf
 
Description CERN Open Days 2019 
Form Of Engagement Activity Participation in an open day or visit at my research institution
Part Of Official Scheme? No
Geographic Reach International
Primary Audience Public/other audiences
Results and Impact Our experiment played a key role in antimatter outreach for the CERN open days in September 2019 that has more than 70'000 visitors.
We showed people around at the experiments and discussed the physics applied, the motivations and the outlook. We had many interesting discussions with the general public ranging from age 12 to 80.
Year(s) Of Engagement Activity 2019
URL http://opendays.cern/
 
Description CERN Teachers Programme Antimatter Activity 
Form Of Engagement Activity A talk or presentation
Part Of Official Scheme? No
Geographic Reach International
Primary Audience Professional Practitioners
Results and Impact I prepare an execute a small antimatter themed programme with presentation and tour for the CERN teachers programme. I focus on teachers programmes from Wales, England and Denmark. The target teachers are high school teachers (A and AS levels) in physics. The return I get is very enthusiatic and many of the teachers return later with their school classes on a regular basis, thus this is a key way to spread enthusiasm for and knowledge about the science we do.
Year(s) Of Engagement Activity 2015,2016,2017,2018,2019,2020
 
Description Christmas lecture in Aberystwyth 
Form Of Engagement Activity A talk or presentation
Part Of Official Scheme? No
Geographic Reach Local
Primary Audience Schools
Results and Impact I was invited to give a "fun and educational" Christmas lecture of a group of local schools (sixt form / A-levels) at Aberytswyth University.
Year(s) Of Engagement Activity 2018
 
Description Hosting schools at the Antimatter Factory (both for visits and presentations) 
Form Of Engagement Activity Participation in an open day or visit at my research institution
Part Of Official Scheme? No
Geographic Reach International
Primary Audience Schools
Results and Impact We should around about 30 school classes per year with about 30 students in each in the experiment. Many of them also enjoy an introductory presentation about our experiments. The feedback is always very positive to the likes of "the antimatter visit was the best part", and the teachers report really positively about it. We therefore have a number of Schools who return annually or bi-annually and pre-emptively contact us to exactly get the "antimatter experience".
Year(s) Of Engagement Activity 2012,2013,2014,2015,2016,2017,2018,2019
 
Description Lecture at E2PHI for French Highschool teachers 
Form Of Engagement Activity A talk or presentation
Part Of Official Scheme? No
Geographic Reach National
Primary Audience Schools
Results and Impact I was invited to present our activites at a summer school for french high school teachers. About 200 teachers from all of France participate in this week-long school and I had incredibly positive feedback from them. Since the school 3 of the teachers have brought their classes to CERN specifically asking for a tour and introductory talk by myself.

As mentioned above. This has caused an additional number of visits to our lab.
Year(s) Of Engagement Activity 2013
URL http://e2phy.in2p3.fr/2013/
 
Description Lectures at Aabenraa Gymnasium (Denmark) 
Form Of Engagement Activity A talk or presentation
Part Of Official Scheme? No
Geographic Reach Local
Primary Audience Schools
Results and Impact My presentation sparked many questions and was very well received.

I expect several students to go further towards studying physics at university as a result of my presentation.
Year(s) Of Engagement Activity 2013
 
Description Lectures at Lycée des Glières in Annemasse (France) 
Form Of Engagement Activity A talk or presentation
Part Of Official Scheme? No
Geographic Reach Regional
Primary Audience Schools
Results and Impact My presentations sparked a lot of interest with the students and I had several stimulating discussion with the most interested students after the talk.

Nothing specific. But I expect that the interest in physics has been heightened by my presentations.
Year(s) Of Engagement Activity 2014
 
Description Manchester Science Festival 
Form Of Engagement Activity Participation in an activity, workshop or similar
Part Of Official Scheme? No
Geographic Reach Regional
Primary Audience Public/other audiences
Results and Impact As part of the Manchester Science Festival the royal society invited us to present our Antimatter Matters exhibit. This was a great opportunity to reach further audiences with this activity that we had already tuned for schools and the general public.
Year(s) Of Engagement Activity 2016
URL https://royalsociety.org/science-events-and-lectures/science-exhibition-manchester/exhibits/
 
Description Royal Society Summer Science Exhibition 2016 
Form Of Engagement Activity Participation in an activity, workshop or similar
Part Of Official Scheme? No
Geographic Reach National
Primary Audience Schools
Results and Impact We presented the stand "Antimatter Matters" at the Royal Society's Summer Science exhibition in London in 2016. This certainly was an eye-opener for all the very appreciative visitors.
Year(s) Of Engagement Activity 2016
URL https://royalsociety.org/science-events-and-lectures/2016/summer-science-exhibition/
 
Description Royal Society Summer Science Exhibition : Antimatter Matters 
Form Of Engagement Activity Participation in an activity, workshop or similar
Part Of Official Scheme? No
Geographic Reach National
Primary Audience Public/other audiences
Results and Impact In collaboration with about 10 other UK institutions members of the LHCb collaboration at CERN the UK ALPHA members (Swansea, Liverpool and Manchester) organised (Responsible organisers Prof. N. Madsen (Swansea), C. Lazzaroni (Birmingham), T. Shears (Liverpool) and C. Parkes (Manchester)) a stand/exhibit at the annual Royal Society Summer Science Exhibition. This is a competition based invitees-only exhibition (i.e. you compete to get invited to exhibit) and it's very professional (in both presentation and organisation).
A great number of schools visit the exhibit and also many members of the general public. A number of special events were also hosted,with MEP's as wells FRS.
The RS and well as ourselves collected feedback from participants who greatly appreciated and reported increased interest in science thanks to our exhibit.

We continue to tour the exhibit at various UK science events - so more events will be reported here.
Year(s) Of Engagement Activity 2016
URL https://royalsociety.org/science-events-and-lectures/summer-science-exhibition/exhibits/antimatter-m...
 
Description Royal society summer exhibition 
Form Of Engagement Activity Participation in an activity, workshop or similar
Part Of Official Scheme? No
Geographic Reach National
Primary Audience Public/other audiences
Results and Impact Exhibition about physics at CERN
Year(s) Of Engagement Activity 2016
 
Description School visits to Antimatter Factory with tours and presentaitons 
Form Of Engagement Activity Participation in an open day or visit at my research institution
Part Of Official Scheme? No
Geographic Reach International
Primary Audience Schools
Results and Impact We engage with school classes coming to CERN to visit the Antimatter Factory though presentations and tours of the facilities. This is a good opportunity for them to add some spice to their education and they often ask pertinent questions and express much appreciation for in particular the antimatter part of the programme.
Year(s) Of Engagement Activity Pre-2006,2006,2007,2008,2009,2010,2011,2012,2013,2014,2015,2016,2017,2018,2019,2020,2022,2023
URL http://visit.cern/tours
 
Description Swansea University Physics Christmas Lectures 
Form Of Engagement Activity A talk or presentation
Part Of Official Scheme? No
Geographic Reach Regional
Primary Audience Schools
Results and Impact I gave two well visited and well recevied christmas lectures on antimatter to about two times 300 pupils to schools in the Swansea areas, priminarily kid in the age-group from 15-18. Each lecture was followed by a 20 minute Q&A session that had a lot of engaged questions from the audience. The feedback from teachers was very enthusiastic.
Year(s) Of Engagement Activity 2015
 
Description Welsh and UK teachers programmes @ CERN 
Form Of Engagement Activity A talk or presentation
Part Of Official Scheme? No
Geographic Reach National
Primary Audience Professional Practitioners
Results and Impact In collaboration with CERN's teachers programmes I deliver presentations and discussions on the subjects of our research (Antimatter) to UK high school teachers. Each year there are currently three teachers programmes (one week each, with about 25 participants) of which one has been focussed on physics teachers in Welsh Schools (A and AS levels).
These programmes help enthuse teachers to bring modern and contemporary physics into the class room as well as show them how they can bring their own students to CERN in an effort to highten their interest in STEM subjects.
In collaboration with CERN we have received very very positive feedback on this.
Year(s) Of Engagement Activity 2016,2017,2018,2019
URL https://home.cern/students-educators/teacher-programmes
 
Description Winter School on Physics with Trapped Charged Particles 
Form Of Engagement Activity Participation in an activity, workshop or similar
Part Of Official Scheme? No
Geographic Reach International
Primary Audience Postgraduate students
Results and Impact In collaboration with Profs. Richard Thompson and Martina Knoop of Imperial College London and Aix-Marseille Universities respectively I have organised and chaired a winter school on physics with trapped charge particles in January 2012, 2015 and 2018. Each school is 10 days long with presentations and workshops by internationally recognized leaders in the field give to about 55 participants who are mainly Ph.D. students and some PDRAs. The school has been a great success each time and we will repeat it in January 2021. So far only limited external support has been received for this but we're organising it that L'ecole de Physique des Houches, which is a sort of charitable organisation for physics events.
Year(s) Of Engagement Activity 2012,2015,2018
URL http://indico.cern.ch/event/315947/