Graphs on Generalised Baire Spaces
Lead Research Organisation:
University of Bristol
Department Name: Mathematics
Abstract
The research of the proposed project is within axiomatic set theory. This theory is usually seen as a foundation for all of mathematics, since every mathematical concept can be expressed structurally in terms of infinite sets. Although the world is of finite size, the theoretical effects of the infinity of our counting numbers, ``N'', is felt through, eg, modelling of computation by programs and numbers as discovered by Turing: although computers are finite, theorizing about their capabilities is best done in an infinite context. In similar ways we model the finite world by using 'infinite structures' and theories.
G. Cantor, the originator of modern set theory, tried to solve knotty problems about subsets of the real number line by establishing results first for simply described sets, then building up for more complicated ones, etc. This founded the concept of 'descriptive set theory'.
In the `classical period' of the 1910's and 20's the Russian (Suslin, Luzin) and French (Borel, Lebesgue) schools of analysts worked intensively on establishing results up to the level they could describe: 'Borel' or 'analytic' sets. For example, for these sets in the plane an idea of "area'' can be developed even if these are not regions enclosed by a simple curve. However matters were stuck at this level. Lebesgue had defined a hierarchy of "projective sets'' beyond the analytic, but despaired of discovering whether they could be 'measurable' in this sense. Modern set theory has discovered why the classical analysts were stuck: axioms, or postulates, beyond the standardly used ones of Zermelo-Fraenkel (developed in the 1920's "ZF'') were needed. Either stronger "axioms of infinity" (also called "large cardinals'') were needed to be assumed in the universe of sets to get these projective sets to behave properly. One surprising but significant development was the use of infinitely long two person perfect information games. Assuming such games had winning strategies played a role. Players alternated integer moves, and the games had length the same type as N. These are technically known as "games on Baire space''.
Our project is to refocus some of these ideas on a current new area of interest that has sprung up: "Generalised Baire spaces'': instead of sequences of type N that can be construed as a decimal expansion of a real number, we look at yet longer sequences the type of one of Cantor's large uncountable cardinal numbers, that is yet greater than the size of the natural numbers. The associated conceptual games are also longer in this sense, and may, or may not, be susceptible to the same kinds of analysis as the earlier ones. We do not yet know. The original Baire space is often identified with the irrational numbers (the countably many rationals left over not counting towards notions of area, measure etc.) We can thus think of the Generalised versions as generalising the real number line in this particular direction.
Why should we be concerned about this? The implication of studying such stronger axioms are much wider: for the general mathematical analysts strong axioms affect how they view the real number line, and this is only now starting to be appreciated. Several areas of pure mathematics can be said to be directly affected by set theoretic axiomatics. In the wider perspective an understanding of the nature of 'infinity' and 'set' is of interest both philosophically and for the general human endeavour. We thus think of the beneficiaries of this research as principally set theorists, but more widely,
mathematical logicians and philosophers of mathematics who are interested in these questions.
Set Theory is very active internationally, with significant research groups in, eg, USA, Israel, Austria, France, Germany. However, in the UK advanced set theory is somewhat underrepresented, and is concentrated in Bristol, UEA and at Leeds. This project will thus enhance the UK's standing and expertise in set theory.
G. Cantor, the originator of modern set theory, tried to solve knotty problems about subsets of the real number line by establishing results first for simply described sets, then building up for more complicated ones, etc. This founded the concept of 'descriptive set theory'.
In the `classical period' of the 1910's and 20's the Russian (Suslin, Luzin) and French (Borel, Lebesgue) schools of analysts worked intensively on establishing results up to the level they could describe: 'Borel' or 'analytic' sets. For example, for these sets in the plane an idea of "area'' can be developed even if these are not regions enclosed by a simple curve. However matters were stuck at this level. Lebesgue had defined a hierarchy of "projective sets'' beyond the analytic, but despaired of discovering whether they could be 'measurable' in this sense. Modern set theory has discovered why the classical analysts were stuck: axioms, or postulates, beyond the standardly used ones of Zermelo-Fraenkel (developed in the 1920's "ZF'') were needed. Either stronger "axioms of infinity" (also called "large cardinals'') were needed to be assumed in the universe of sets to get these projective sets to behave properly. One surprising but significant development was the use of infinitely long two person perfect information games. Assuming such games had winning strategies played a role. Players alternated integer moves, and the games had length the same type as N. These are technically known as "games on Baire space''.
Our project is to refocus some of these ideas on a current new area of interest that has sprung up: "Generalised Baire spaces'': instead of sequences of type N that can be construed as a decimal expansion of a real number, we look at yet longer sequences the type of one of Cantor's large uncountable cardinal numbers, that is yet greater than the size of the natural numbers. The associated conceptual games are also longer in this sense, and may, or may not, be susceptible to the same kinds of analysis as the earlier ones. We do not yet know. The original Baire space is often identified with the irrational numbers (the countably many rationals left over not counting towards notions of area, measure etc.) We can thus think of the Generalised versions as generalising the real number line in this particular direction.
Why should we be concerned about this? The implication of studying such stronger axioms are much wider: for the general mathematical analysts strong axioms affect how they view the real number line, and this is only now starting to be appreciated. Several areas of pure mathematics can be said to be directly affected by set theoretic axiomatics. In the wider perspective an understanding of the nature of 'infinity' and 'set' is of interest both philosophically and for the general human endeavour. We thus think of the beneficiaries of this research as principally set theorists, but more widely,
mathematical logicians and philosophers of mathematics who are interested in these questions.
Set Theory is very active internationally, with significant research groups in, eg, USA, Israel, Austria, France, Germany. However, in the UK advanced set theory is somewhat underrepresented, and is concentrated in Bristol, UEA and at Leeds. This project will thus enhance the UK's standing and expertise in set theory.
People |
ORCID iD |
Philip Welch (Principal Investigator) | |
Philipp Schlicht (Researcher) |
Publications

Agostini C
(2023)
Generalized Polish spaces at regular uncountable cardinals
in Journal of the London Mathematical Society

Agostini C
(2021)
Generalized Polish spaces at regular uncountable cardinals

AGUILERA J
(2021)
GAMES AND INDUCTION ON REALS
in The Journal of Symbolic Logic

Brickhill H
(2023)
Generalisations of stationarity, closed and unboundedness, and of Jensen's ?
in Annals of Pure and Applied Logic

Carl M
(2022)
Canonical Truth
in Axiomathes

Carl M
(2022)
Decision Times of Infinite Computations
in Notre Dame Journal of Formal Logic

HENNEY-TURNER C
(2023)
ASYMMETRIC CUT AND CHOOSE GAMES
in The Bulletin of Symbolic Logic

Henney-Turner C
(2023)
Forcing axioms via ground model interpretations
in Annals of Pure and Applied Logic

Holy P
(2022)
Ideal topologies in higher descriptive set theory
in Annals of Pure and Applied Logic

Holy P
(2022)
Asymmetric cut and choose games
Description | The most significant result is that from the paper of the PDRA and D. Sziraki that generalises in the spirit of this project the so called 'Open Graph Dichotomy' from standard and well studied Baire space of N^N to the newer generalised spaces kappa^kappa of this research. Such dichotomy theorems occur quite often in set theory and analysis and say something of the form "Any set [of some kind] is either very simple or extremely complex" (where of course 'simple' and 'complex' are given some sensible meaning). The force of such theorems is that there are only two 'types' of such sets, and not a continuous spectrum of sets merging into one another. Here we show that certain directed graphs in kappa^kappa can always be coloured in kappa many colours (the 'simple' case) or else there is a continuous map from some large canonical directed graph into it (the 'complex' or 'chaotic' case). |
Exploitation Route | Pure mathematics is a continually evolving field, and the researchers of tomorrow build on the work and results of today. We expect that questions raised and generalisations of our work will be carried forward by others working in this area |
Sectors | Other |
URL | https://people.maths.bris.ac.uk/~mapdw/publications2020.htmlhttps://philippschlicht.github.io/ |
Description | Conference Grants Scheme 1 |
Amount | £2,000 (GBP) |
Funding ID | 12320 |
Organisation | London Mathematical Society |
Sector | Academic/University |
Country | United Kingdom |
Start | 02/2024 |
End | 02/2024 |
Description | TU Vienna |
Organisation | Vienna University of Technology |
Country | Austria |
Sector | Academic/University |
PI Contribution | Joint paper |
Collaborator Contribution | Joint paper |
Impact | Asymmetric cut and choose games, with Peter Holy (Technical University Vienna), Christopher Turner and Philip Welch, 31 pages, accepted for Bulletin of Symbolic Logic in January 2023 |
Start Year | 2021 |
Description | University of Torino |
Organisation | University of Turin |
Country | Italy |
Sector | Academic/University |
PI Contribution | Joint research |
Collaborator Contribution | Joint research |
Impact | Joint work in preparation with Luca Motto Ros and Claudio Agostini (both University of Torino) |
Start Year | 2021 |